The conventional thread rat wisdom here seems to be Josh is just no good, never was, came overhyped and got exposed. The trouble with the conventional wisdom is that Bill Self, a pretty good judge of basketball talent, was very confident that Josh would be one of the very good players in the league last season, even as late as early last season.
Bill Self did not hesitate. He started Josh and Josh promptly played brilliantly in his first start. The only think Self did not do was start Josh at PG, where most expected he would play and start. The move to the 3 was understandable in part because Josh was up front about saying he was an OAD no matter what. If he had to invest in developing a D1 PG, he would invest in Tyshawn and Elijah, who were willing to come back.
And because Josh was such a super athlete, and so aggressive, he could play the 3, and still do all the things he was capable of doing, which would get him and Tyshawn at the floor at the same time, plus not leave KU the following season with out a proven PG.
But then Josh's play dipped a little. His TOs edge up and his scoring edged down. It happened around the time of the TRob family tragedy. And overshadowed in the TRob tragedy was Josh's loss of a close child hood buddy to a violent death. It was mentioned and then more or less lost sight of in the greater drama of TRob's loss, and the team rallying around TRob--the whole FOE thing.
And then there was the injury. It has never been clear to me exactly when it happened. Was it in practice, or in a game? What was the date? Even the approximate date? And for awhile, Josh's injury, and Brady's slump, opened the door for Travis and Mario Little to see some more minutes. And then Brady started coming out of the slump and Josh seemed to drag his feet about coming back from stress reaction, so Little saw more minutes.
But here is the thing: even with a boot on his foot, even with the TOs, even with Brady coming out of his slump, even with Mario Little coming on a little, Bill Self thought so much of Josh Selby's abilities that he played him about minutes per game even with a flipping boot on his foot.
I am left with only one probable and reasonable inference: Bill Self thought Josh Selby was one heckuva basketball player. Self did not say, "I don't want that kid around any more. He did not say Josh is all about Josh. He just said, "Josh just needs a lot of reps.
He eventually played on an injury that he could easily have stopped after. He played on an injury that in the past had shelved Withey for a season, and that Cole Aldrich had to sit awhile with, too, before returning to never play consistently at his prior levels either. There is a Nick-pic that I paint-o-graphed of Josh embracing Brady Morningstar on, if I recall correctly, senior night or day. It was an incredible picture of comaraderie and love among two teammates who had been forced by chance to have to compete with each other head to head for PT.
I will always remember this picture, because I think it was one of the great sports photos I have ever seen, especially if one understands the context. All of which leaves me wondering how Kyrie Irving, and Brandon Knight, guys the same size as Josh, but without as much physical aggressiveness as he possesses, get all the love and trust of NBA GMs, when NBA GMs are known for drafting on ceiling, and not on performance.
We read it again and again. The NBA drafts on ceiling. The NBA drafts based on potential. The NBA doesn't draft based on what you have done. If you've got the physical build and the talent to be good in the NBA, that's what really gets them juiced. Well, I still say Josh Selby has a ton of talent. Something is going on with Josh Selby and it does not seem to be explained by a lack of ability, or too much selfishness and ego.
The only thing I can think of is a cocktail of GMs being wary of his injury-proneness injured when he arrived on campus, injured midway through a game season, injured again during the workout phase of the offseason leading up to the Draft along with a sudden gun-shyness to pull the trigger on guys based on pure potential and physical chops. Plus, it cannot be discounted that, in spite of all he had going for him with the Knicks organization, they are still the Knicks and are still run by Donnie Walsh.
The fact that their backup plan to Josh Selby was Iman Shumpert speaks volumes in my opinion. I'm just glad there is someone besides myself attempting to dispel these ridiculous notions that Josh's problem was his ego and his lack of team-friendly attitude. If there is anything Josh wasn't, it's a team "cancer". I'm also glad there's someone else who thinks the deck on Josh Selby and the NBA is missing a few key cards.
They all want to find Michael Jordan or Lebron James. They never take a guy who stayed 4 years at a "mid-major" school and put up decent numbers over a guy who was purported to be good enough to hit the League right out of college.
But in this case they did. It's crazy to me that GMs decided, in one of the weakest drafts of the last 10 years, to cease valuing "ceiling", as you put it. If there was ever a draft to take a flier on a guy who has all the physical tools, this is it. How else do guys like Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown still get multi-million dollar contracts? The fact that Sebastian Telfair is going on an 8 year career is proof that NBA GMs almost never truly write off guys as highly-touted as Selby and Telfair was as "busts".
But at No. A medical red flag concerning a swollen knee and a skipped MRI were partly to blame for Selby's drop. But teams were more worried about his character and his poor season at Kansas. Still, when you watch his game film from college or watch him work out, you see that he has the potential to be special. That late in the draft, the Grizzlies risked nothing and had everything to gain -- and maybe Selby follows in the footsteps of other young, talented second-rounders like Monta Ellis, Lou Williams and Gilbert Arenas.
Selby may never get it together, but he was worth a shot here. Selby was on AM this afternoon and he inidcated that he is fully healed. He also said that he did have an MRI in Miami and he had to skip the one at Chicago because he had a plan to catch.
The injury story sounds a lot like the bogus "kidney problem" that dropped Arthur to a draft position lower than anticipated. Funny thing We should be glad that he left the program early. He was not suited to be a student athlete and we wouldn't have benefited from another year of him being in the program.
The NBA vetting process worked and now Selby needs to get his act together. Isn't that a good education? I wish Josh success. If he really still has foot problems, it's a shame for him that he didn't stay at KU, where he could have been treated at no real cost and be allowed to heal. Keegan says: "Yet, the silly rule set in place by the NBA allows colleges to be used by professional basketball for a year to test and market the future talent gives Selby the chance to leave college basketball without leaving or taking anything from it.
Geez, I hate Keegan No pay for the player but big revenues and publicity for the school? Poor college basketball powerhouses, "used" by extrmely talented players Well, the enigmatic Josh Selby era is over. I'm glad he's gone!
Sticking around KU for another year or two would have sucked for both Selby and the 'Hawks. His king-sized ego, fragile psyche, laziness and slow feet were clearly red flags for the entire NBA braintrust.
Good lord, why not add in a bit about how his pointy tail got in the way? That would be equally accurate aka, NOT accurate , but more entertaining. If he actually cared about improving himself, he would have gone the way of the Morris twins and worked his butt off during the off-season.
Why don't I think he's lazy? Because I have eyes and I'm not going to go down the path of presuming what he did in his free time based on some specious "he played loose Preferred twitter to the weight room? So, were you hanging out with him all the time, seeing what he did in his free time, or are you dense enough to assume that one cannot hit the weight room and also spend 30 seconds composing a character post?
Worked his butt off during the off-season? But we'll see. Im stoked you have eyes though, but I'm not sure who you were looking at this season.
He lacks work ethic like sherron before him. If he ever sees significant playing me in the NBA, you are the first I will eat crow before. But honestly, I'm not too worried about that. Josh Selby's fate this year if there even is a season. About in attendance. Everyone in the building can hear the dribbling of the ball. In the back of his mind, does he realize he made the wrong decision. At the end of the day, he did not want to go to college and KU should have let him go elsewhere.
If Selby is in Bismarck, ND in January, he will be getting paid, so those paying fans will be chipping in for his salary, unlike if he had chosen to stay in Lawrence, regardless of how many fans are in attendance.
Championship ring probably goes Top Josh is to blame for his own demise. I have no problem with 1 and dones under the current system, IF they have a good year and then leave. Josh didn't Josh really didn't prove anything to the NBA scouts last year other then he could run the floor.
Otherwise his shot wasn't close to reliable, his defense was quite suspect and he couldn't handle the ball see benching in home game against Neb. How can they speculate him at the point in the NBA when he never ever was going to be KU's point guard? He simply turned the ball over way too much! I gotta believe that the NBA scouts saw a very raw prospect with hope that the development league could get him on their NBA roster inside of 3 years Thus his draft spot late in the 2nd round was all he could really hope for.
Selby did miss his shot. I mean, why not stay one more year and elevate your game? He would be a top 20 talent if he stayed one more year. I just feel sorry for Selby. I'm sure that "friend" that provided him the improper benefits was providing him some of the wonderful advice.. And mama Selby is just as culpable. The whole world..
It was obviously the right call. No doubt. As a note, I don't think I saw one post on this message board questioning the Morrises decision meaning we.. Again, this is just sad. But let's all do this.. Let's not be sucked in by the temptation to say "ah, told you so" and enjoy his failure because he was not to us, what we wanted him to be.
Let's hope he succeeds. Let's provide kind words. None of us will enjoy life more, if Selby fails. Hope he can get off the mat, dust himself off, and have an excellent career in the NBA, Europe, or wherever. Kid has been nothing but a stand-up guy the departing Lawrence situation notwithstanding and holds no ill-will and continues to say all the right things. Not a huge Keegan fan, and I am a Selby hopeful and always will be, but this article really hits home.
I just wish the kid would have stayed around. I ran into Selby and all the players at a bar you can probably guess where after the huge Gameday, K-State beat down at Allen last season and Selby was very much isolated from the rest of the boys Even though he was only a freshman, the disconnect was very obvious and kind of sad.
Well said, gorilla. I did not have the chance to see the players personally, but just watching the games on TV had given me an impression that Selby was not as much a part of the team as he should have been. Do us all a favor Tom and quit the paper You're getting too old and you know it Good luck Josh Forgotten your password? Your email:. Friday, June 24, Keegan.
By Tom Keegan. More like this story on KUsports. Curtis Stutz 10 years, 4 months ago Sadly as was pointed out to me by a UK fan, Selby is a black eye on recruiting for KU, a top ranked player that slipped to 49 in the draft Self did what he could to allow Selby to develop on the court and show his talent, but unfortunately for all involved it didn't work out It's not KU's fault, it's not Selby's fault, just the way the cookie crumbled I think he's got a shot at playing meaningful minutes on an up and coming Memphis team if he can get healthy Good luck Josh, work hard and let the details work themselves out I know I'll remember a great performance against USC that kept an amazing home winning streak alive and a heck of a first half in Boulder though I was at the game and running a degree fever, so I could be off base on that 0.
Adam Evans 10 years, 4 months ago Kanter does not count as a Kentucky player. Ann Oneill 10 years, 4 months ago I think it will serve more as a lesson for players to re-think if they are truly one and done. Chris Bailey 10 years, 4 months ago You know my brother went to Kentucky and holds 2 degrees both from UK. Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago EW, a kentucky fan?
Josh, you should of listened! Yeah, I copied and pasted. What are you going to do about it? Robin Smith 10 years, 4 months ago why would I care if you copied and pasted it?
CrodieBroyle 10 years, 4 months ago Xavier and Selby on the same team John Brown 10 years, 4 months ago Shady too 0. Noisewater 10 years, 4 months ago Well played. Hank Cross 10 years, 4 months ago Another utter garbage piece by Keegan, filled with so much speculation and false assumptions it's not even funny. Hank Cross 10 years, 4 months ago I was not saying that Josh is as talented as Kobe and the others.
KSseahawk 10 years, 4 months ago Selby played like he was in over his head They do that and then he's really just battling Tony Allen for playing time. Gregor Southard 10 years, 4 months ago Keegs nailed it. Sam Constance 10 years, 4 months ago "Haters. Can we agree that the term "hater" is overused and intellectually vacuous yet? Sorry, but this was a terrible piece, regardless of your opinion of Selby. Redlandsjhawk 10 years, 4 months ago On a positive?
Rick Arnoldy 10 years, 4 months ago This is actually one of the few Keegan articles I agree with. Low Basketball IQ. Dependance upon others, so much so that Wade has to hold his hand during press conferences Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago But would 1 semester have made any difference? Brandon Snook 10 years, 4 months ago Only people who are ignorant with the Selby story would think poorly upon KU from a perspective student-"athlete" point of view.
Just the mistakes of youth mixed with an unfortunate circumstance. Rock Chalk, Josh. Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago D League? No chance. If it doesn't work out in the NBA, he will make plenty of money in Europe.
Kevin Studer 10 years, 4 months ago Trey Hohman 10 years, 4 months ago Great points by oxcaljayhawk. REHawk 10 years, 4 months ago The one and done rule ended up costing Josh Selby millions of dollars, at least until or if he improves his game these next 2 or 3 seasons.
Jeremy Bolinger 10 years, 4 months ago Bull. Sam Constance 10 years, 4 months ago Ah, the old "body language" argument. Is that you Keegan? Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago Even Kobe sat his first couple of years.
Josh was given a chance to help his family out - of course he's going to jump at the chance. Jeremy Bolinger 10 years, 4 months ago People see what Thomas Robinson is doing, and they have nothing but respect. Sam Constance 10 years, 4 months ago Such assumptions about things you have no idea about. JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 4 months ago Do you think before you post? Jeremy Bolinger 10 years, 4 months ago Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Selby suspended 9 games at the beginning of the season?
Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago I'm saving that comment!! Good luck Josh. Make KU proud! Sam Constance 10 years, 4 months ago Either emaw is right or he's not. Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago you know who gave everything he had for his school?
THATS sad. Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago not the fact that he gave it all for KSU, just that he went undrafted after he gave so much. Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago I agree emaw but remember what they say about glass houses. Money talks.
Josh Selby is in the NBA. He is making money. He is on his way. That is not failure, Tom, that is the start of success in business.
Never blame a guy for living in the real world and taking a bird in the hand. The two birds in the bush are a calculated risk, also--maybes--a what-ifs. Josh went for the sure thing, just like you did once, Tom. SDSurferFan 10 years, 4 months ago Im sure there is history i dont know but it sounds like you strongly dislike Keegan. Regardless, the game is to inform for clicks. Information runs two ways in interactive journalism. Take it from an Italian.
UmbertoConforti 10 years, 4 months ago Your buddy slavish follower Yates is right! But I don't think he is Italian. Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago Yeah..
I've usually liked his articles but don't know the story behind the stories. SDSurferFan 10 years, 4 months ago Lol. Love the new nickname. James Miller 10 years, 4 months ago Sounds great. Arthur worked hard while at Memphis and his game has improved a lot. Go Josh. Make KU proud. Funhawk 10 years, 4 months ago Jaybate's post is excellent, too. Kirk 10 years, 4 months ago The "sure thing"? Life offers nothing of the kind. But a guaranteed contract would have been close.
Hank Cross 10 years, 4 months ago Standing and applauding Jaybate excellent post! I'm surprised that more kids haven't gone the route of that kid from SD who went to Japan. Joe Ross 10 years, 4 months ago This comment is stupid. Way to keep those opinions objective, Joe Ross. Joe Ross 10 years, 4 months ago This is a sports site. Chris Bailey 10 years, 4 months ago Hey man you may be right in a normal year but with the lockout looming he may not get paid until January!
KansasComet 10 years, 4 months ago Excellent points Jaybate! Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 4 months ago i predicted long ago he wouldn't be a 1st round pick Ludwig Supraphonic 10 years, 4 months ago Sidling up to Steve Fisher cements his credibility for me.
Gregor Southard 10 years, 4 months ago that "blog" is a joke. I feel bad that I wasted 14 seconds of my life reading it 0. He may be right about Self. He may be more full of Manure than Jack Abramoff at a Rodeo. Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago That's Mr. Robert Brock 10 years, 4 months ago Well, there is always overseas ball. Maybe he will play in Greece or Libya or Yemen or Qatar. Woody Cragg 10 years, 4 months ago Once every yrs is all you can muster?
Stop embarrassing KU with your idiotic and pathetic posts. Ludwig Supraphonic 10 years, 4 months ago Very objective self-awareness. That is all you know. Oh Right. It was the second time ;. Martin is a wonderful coach for a certain kind of player. Self is wonderful coach for another kind of player. Bottom line, Martin missed his shot with Judge and now it is someone else's turn. But this happens again and again in college basketball and in life.
Rock Chalk! And Stomp the Pussies! Michael Bratisax 10 years, 4 months ago Damn right! Can already see the headlines: 'Cats Judged and Found Wanting' 0. Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago didnt they immediately release a DVD of that victory? Certainly no one would buy from Harrelson when Doron Lamb is working the same lot : 0.
I believe the name of the dealership is World Wide Wes Automall! Once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. Jayhawk for life! Kirk 10 years, 4 months ago Honest criticism doesn't equal "hating. That's whats so good and so bad about the internet, everybody that can type has a voice. Tony Bandle 10 years, 4 months ago Just talking numbers, starting with , Kansas has had 12 players drafted by the NBA [8 firsts and 4 seconds].
That can't hurt from a recruiting standpoint, especially when you're talking: 4 power forwards 3 wings 2 shooting guards 1 point guard 2 centers All positions are covered. FreddyinLA 10 years, 4 months ago Four lottery picks and 6 total in the last 2 years. Selby struggled to perform on the court, for whatever reason. Josh Selby made it. If Keegan can't see that, it's only because he doesn't want to.
Jason Montgomery 10 years, 4 months ago "Made it"??? FreddyinLA 10 years, 4 months ago Keegs, please write me an article explaining how DeShawn Stevenson committed career suicide by not playing for Ole Roy back in the day. Brianna Zaleski 10 years, 4 months ago Great point. IT can be done 0. Still, you made your case very well. It almost changed my mind. He choked when it counted? My God, man, the entire team choked. Self choked.
Reed and Morningstar seniors!!! Sam Constance 10 years, 4 months ago "I venture to guess that his immature actions were also viewed negatively by the league" You can't be serious. That's pretty small potatoes in the gamut of immature actions. KansasComet 10 years, 4 months ago I was cool with what you were saying until you said he choked against VCU.
Dirk Medema 10 years, 4 months ago There is this notion in the college realm of journo's and fans that players can develop more by staying in college because there is a focus on games and PT.
WilburNether 10 years, 4 months ago Mr. JOSH You said that you weren't happy here. You should use it for self-wealth. RockChalk26 10 years, 4 months ago Glad to see the Big 12 was well represented in the draft this year. Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago difference between the morris gents and josh selby?
Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 4 months ago assuming spain and greece still have an functioning economy? Self made a pragmatic decision about what would be best for the KU program.
But then Travis wrecked his ankle. And even after the season was over and Josh split, Self said, "Josh is a pro type guard. Why did they view him as such a big risk? I can't answer that. And I haven't read any credible explanations either.
Now, a lot of thread rats are also saying Josh was selfish, Josh was all about Josh. But stuck in my mind are three things that refute that judgement of Josh. He happily played out of position for Self. All the way until Josh played at KU, most every ranking put Josh at the top of the list. The main issues surrounding Selby apparently centered around his family's association with Robert Frazier, the business manager for Denver Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony.
Selby's mother had maintained that Frazier was someone she had known since grade school and that he merely helped the family through the difficult recruiting process as a friendly adviser. Coach Bill Self had said all along he was confident that Selby would eventually be allowed to play. After you can practice, can't practice any more.
He's dealt with several things that would really make a young man's mind cluttered. And he's been mature about this. I think he's really handled it pretty well, and his family has. But he'll handle it like a man. And we'll look forward to having him out here. He's better than advertised. I think people are really going to like watching Josh play. Skip to main content Skip to navigation. Kansas freshman Selby can return in December. Kansas Jayhawks. Irked Riley: Baylor timeout for FG breaks 'code'.
Oklahoma Sooners. Rams' Woods suffers season-ending torn ACL. Los Angeles Rams. Gators' defensive woes persist vs. I will not return to Kansas next year. Making my dream a reality. Selby, a 6-foot-3 guard was rated the overall No. He averaged 7. Selby was suspended the first nine games by the NCAA for amateurism violations.
In his first game, he scored 21 points including the game-winner three-pointer in a decision against Southern California in Allen Fieldhouse Dec.
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